Debbie brings Chip back on the show to discuss the future of travel, what travel means for many of us, and what the substitutions might be.

Chip is a New York Times bestselling author, a thought leader at the intersection of psychology and business, and an influential hospitality entrepreneur. Recently he has become a rockstar of the mid-life transition movement, as the founder of Modern Elder Academy in Baja, Mexico. Chip was a guest on Season 1 of this podcast over a year ago, right after Debbie attended one of MEA’s week-long programs, a transformative experience.

We’ve all been wondering what travel will look like in the future, whether it’s for a gap year or timeout, or for bucket list destinations.  Debbie felt Chip was just the right person to talk to about this.

They discuss how digital nomads might become mainstream now that remote working is becoming the norm. Chip shares his prognostications about the future of travel: what kind of travel will come back first? What parts of the industry will NOT come back?

They also talk about how to reinvent yourself without travel (connect with nature, connect with yourself via mindfulness, yoga, journaling) and how to satisfy your cultural curiosity without getting on a plane.

Chip shares one of his “Chip-isms” (as Debbie calls his wordplays) on the current situation and they talk about some of the silver linings of their respective lockdown experiences.

Mentioned in this episode or useful

• S1 – EP6: Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy
• About Chip Conley
• Chip Conley’s Wisdom Well blog
• The Digital Nomad Goes Mainstream by Chip Conley (June 9, 2020)
• Senior Nomads Debbie and Michael Campbell
• Author Pico Iyer:  “Travel is not really about leaving our homes, but leaving our habits.”
• Your Gap Year: What’s Stopping You by Debbie Weil (Dec. 19, 2019)

PHOTO CREDIT: Lisa Keating